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The United Reformed Church response to the DTI "Discussion Document on Employment Status in relation to Statutory Employment Rights"

 

The United Reformed Church welcomes the opportunity to respond to the DTI discussion document issued in July this year, having participated in the DTI round-table meetings with other Christian Denominations and other Faiths.

 

Before commenting on any detail of the paper a brief outline of the structures and ministry of the United Reformed Church is given.

 

 

1          United Reformed Church structures
 

1.1        The oversight of the United Reformed Church is the concern both of the local church and wider representative councils. The councils of the church are:

 

the Church Meeting and the Elders' Meeting of each local church.  The Church meeting of the local church, consists of those persons who have been admitted to the full privileges and responsibilities of membership of the United Reformed Church and whose names are included on the membership roll of such local church. There are some 1,740 local churches;

the council of each District, of which there are 78 in total;

the synod of province or nation, known as a Provincial or National Synod, of which there are 13 in total;

the General Assembly of the United Reformed Church.

 

1.2        The United Reformed Church is a conciliar church.  The composition and functions of the councils of the United Reformed Church are detailed on pages B2 –B14, section B of the Manual of the United Reformed Church.

 

 

2          Ministry in the United Reformed Church

 

The United Reformed Church believes that within the ministry of the whole Church, certain people have gifts, which the church discerns to be suitable for their being called to be ministers of the Word and Sacraments.  After a recognised assessment process, preparation and training, they are declared to be ready to be called by any local church (or group off churches) in England, Scotland or Wales, to be their minister.  The "call" to ministry is not complete until a local church has extended a call, following a decision by members voting in Church Meeting, and concurred by the District Council.  There are other special and approved ministries to which a candidate can be called, but the vast majority are ordained and inducted to local churches as indicated.

 

Each local church pays an amount to the central Ministry and Mission Fund operated by the General Assembly, and from which stipendiary ministers receive their monthly stipend.  The central system allows economically stronger churches to support the others.

 

By comparing the procedures and structures of the different Church denominations and other faiths, it can be seen that one solution may not be suitable for all and consideration of an opt-out system, as suggested at the round table discussions, may be the most appropriate way forward.  The United Reformed Church would welcome further discussions on the way this might work in practice.

 

 

3          Present coverage of "employee rights"

 

The DTI consultation paper, page 2, states that "the main issues the Government wish to address are whether the present coverage of employment rights reflects the underlying economic reality of the

employment relationship and whether a different coverage would better meet its aims for the labour market".

 

The paper also goes into detail about the variety of types of working people, with particular emphasis on homeworkers, agency workers and casual workers.  We would support the need to provide these working people with the protection of statutory employment rights.

 

The stipendiary ministers of the United Reformed Church enjoy a wide degree of day to day autonomy in how they conduct their work but also have certain rights and security not provided to the working people referred to in 3.2 above and are therefore not in the same category.

 

The statutory employment rights discussed within the DTI consultation paper are listed in Appendix A attached to this document, noting the equivalent rights of the stipendiary ministry of the United Reformed Church where relevant.

 

Reference is made to the United Reformed Church "Plan for Partnership".  This is the document that sets out the sharing of the financial responsibility for the whole ministry of the United Reformed Church.  A copy of the Plan for Partnership is included with this response.

 

The Plan for Partnership is a living document changing to meet the needs of the modern day.  It was last amended and approved by General Assembly in July 2002.  Amongst the changes made was the inclusion of paternity leave to be introduced in April 2003.

 

 

4          Effect of extending employment rights

 

The Government is right to want to see flexibility and choice in the employment opportunities employers are able to offer.

 

Whilst the current coverage of employment rights may be hampering the growth of some working people in atypical working arrangements, we do not believe that this applies to stipendiary ministers of the United Reformed Church.  Our current figures do not indicate that there is a shortage of stipendiary ministry.

 

Bearing in mind the vocation and "calling" of ministers it is unlikely that the extension of employment rights would increase the number of people considering a vocation in the ministry.  There is no evidence from the meetings of General Assembly that people have been deterred from ministry because, for instance, there is no access to an Employment Tribunal.

 

The United Reformed Church has written procedures for any church member wishing to appeal against a decision of any council of the Church.  There is no evidence from the meetings of General Assembly that ministers have exhausted all these procedures.

 

The United Reformed Church acknowledges that there are a few who have a grievance at the lack of an external review of certain procedures of the church.  Along with some other denominations we express a concern for the appropriateness of seeking possible redress from Employment Tribunals.   However the United Reformed Church would welcome the opportunity of exploring the possibility of an independent ecumenical "tribunal" or body, which would hear appeals of church procedures.

 

 

5          Summary of recommendations

 

The United Reformed Church requests the Government to consider a non-statutory system for the extension of employment rights to stipendiary ministers.  We would commit ourselves to reviewing our existing arrangements to take account of any employment rights not yet protected within our framework.

 

The United Reformed Church is committed to continue regular reviews of the issues surrounding new employment rights, as demonstrated by the recent changes to the Plan for Partnership.

 

The United Reformed Church structures allow for an open process in decision-making, and notes that no-one has brought concerns of employment matters to councils of the church.

 

The United Reformed Church is a church in three nations; in England, Scotland and Wales.  Stipendiary ministers who have a need to move from a local church in one area are free to do so knowing that they can request that their name be put forward for consideration by local church situations in any of the three nations.

 

The United Reformed Church has in place procedures for appeals, which, although not statutory, are explicit and part of our understanding of what it means to be church.  We would explore ways of opening these procedures to external review through, for example, an independent ecumenical "tribunal".

 

The following table lists the statutory rights outlined in the DTI paper "Employment status in relation to statutory employment rights" noting where applicable any relevant or equivalent rights provided to stipendiary Ministers of Religion of the United Reformed Church.

 

 

 

Statutory

Right

United Reformed Church

Stipendiary Ministers of Religion

 

Employees

Only

All

Workers

Written statement of employment particulars

Written Terms of Settlement with reference to the Plan for Partnership

 

Itemised pay statement

Yes

 

Protection against unlawful deductions from wages

Yes, in the Plan for Partnership

 

Guarantee payments

Yes, in the Plan for Partnership

 

Protection in relation to Sunday trading and Sunday betting

Not applicable

 

Protection for making a protected disclosure

Not stated but applies in practice

 

Protection against detriment for exercising rights in respect of health & safety cases; Sunday working; trustees of occupational pension schemes; employee representatives; time off work for study and training; leave for family and domestic reasons; trade union membership; European Works Council

A process exists whereby a minister could make a complaint in respect of areas that are applicable

 

Protection against detriment for exercising rights in respect of working time cases; protected disclosures; national minimum wage; part-time work; right to be accompanied

A process exists whereby a minister could make a complaint in respect of areas applicable

 

 

Time off for public duties

Not stated but applies in practice

 

Time off work to look for work or arrange training in the event of redundancy

Not applicable

 

Time off for ante-natal care

Yes, in the Plan for Partnership

 

Time off for dependants

Not stated, but would be given in practice with possible consultation with local church

 

Time off for pension trustees

Not stated but given in practice by consultation with the local church

 

Time off for employee representatives

Not stated but provided in practice.

 

Time off for young person for study or training

Better provision. All ministers are encouraged time off for study and sabbatical leave

 

Time off for members of a European Works Council

Not applicable

 

Remuneration on suspension on medical grounds

Remuneration given if suspended but a minister would not be suspended on medical grounds

 

Suspension on maternity grounds

Remuneration given if suspended but a minister would not be suspended on maternity grounds

 

Ordinary maternity leave

Yes, in the Plan for Partnership

 

Additional maternity leave

Yes, in the Plan for Partnership

 

Parental leave

Yes, in the Plan for Partnership

 

Right to notice

Not applicable

 

Written statement of reasons for dismissal

Yes, this would be given in disciplinary cases as detailed in Section O of The Manual of the United Reformed Church

 

 

Right not to be unfairly dismissed (or selected for redundancy)

There is a process of appeal, which is part of the rules of procedure for the conduct of the United Reformed Church, detailed in Section C of the Manual.  There is no legal redress to an employment tribunal

(apart from in respect of right to be accompanied)

Right to a redundancy payment

Not applicable

 

Right to an insolvency payment

Not applicable

 

Protection of acquired rights on the transfer of an undertaking

Not applicable

 

Right to be accompanied

Yes, stated for disciplinary reasons

 

Right to be informed and consulted through representatives about collective redundancies

Not applicable

 

Right to national minimum wage

Stipend level for the year 2003 has been set at £17,952 per annum for a 100% scoping, (ie "equivalent to "full-time")

 

Right to rest breaks, paid annual leave and to maximum weekly working time

The Plan for Partnership gives entitlement to 5 weeks holiday and one further Sunday away from the Pastorate.  Ministers are encouraged to take suitable breaks and to regularly review their workload

 

Right for part-time workers not to be treated less favourably than comparable full-time workers

Plan for Partnership

 

Right to belong or not to belong to a trade union

Not stated but accepted

 

Time off for carrying out trade union duties

Not stated but accepted

 

Right not to suffer deductions of unauthorised union subscriptions

Not stated separately but no such deductions would be made without authority

 

 

The following table summarises the coverage of individual employment rights to be conferred under the Employment Act:

 

Statutory

Right

United Reformed Church

Equivalent for Ministers of Religion

 

Employees

Only

All

Workers

Right to paternity leave

Yes, Plan for Partnership

 

Right to adoption leave

Implied but to be reviewed

 

Right to increased maternity leave

Yes, Plan for Partnership

 

Right to dispute resolution procedures

Yes, covered by Section C of the Manual

 

Time off for union learning representatives

Not stated but in consultation with the local church

 

Right for fixed term employees not to be treated less favourably than comparable employees in permanent employment

Not applicable

 

Right to request flexible working for parents of young children

Ministers have a right to consult with local church their own work patterns

 

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